Dave See
1. Simeon DUTCHER, b. 25 August 1761 at Dover (Dutchess) NY, d. ca. 1849 at Ohio (Herkimer) NY
Father: Direck DE DUYSTER (1730), b. ca. 1730
Mother: Mrs. DE DUYSTER
Most of the data on this Simeon comes from Dr. Peter Elias.
Was in the Revolutionary War #10954. Pension sent to Herkimer Co. Lived in Ohio town - foothills of the Adirondacks - in 1840 census p. 84.
Served in the 5th regiment of the Dutchess Co. Militia under Captain Valentine Wheeler and General Israel Putnam. Simeon received a federal pension in Herkimer Co., and according to "The Settlers of Beekman Patent" by Frank J. Doherty Simeon was granted land boundry rights for the 5th.
Margaretta KUHN, b. ca. 1760
Father: Adam KUHN
Mother: Margaretta VAN DER HOEF
The following information was taken from: " Koon and Coon families of Eastern,NY-reprinted by Tuttle Publishing Co. Rutland, VT" pg. 404, sent to me by Anne Townsend Moravia, New York
Margareta Coon, [evidently a dau. of this Adam and prob. b. abt. 1760 ?] m. Jan. 8, 1778 Simeon Dutcher [S. Am. P.] and lived near Dover, though she apparently went to Claverack with her bro. Jacob after the war ended. This date seems to indicate that Adam was in Dover as early as 1777. There may be just a slight question as to whether this Margaret may not have been instead another dau. Capt. Peter [C-5 above] and a sister of hte wife of Elias Dutcher [C-5, D-3 above] also as to whether Elias or Simeon was the father of the John Dutcher mentioned as one of Peter's heirs. This question cannot be answered decisively, since elias and simeon each had a child not mentioned in Peter's will and we do not know which one died before the will was drawn.
But, as Peter's son Rulof's was sp. for a child of elias, the probabilities seem to favor the idea that the wife of Elias was Rulof's sister and the mother of John Dutcher, especially as Margaret and her son Ephraim are also omitted in Peter's will and since she appears to have followed a known son of Adam to Claverack. She had at least one child.
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William S. Coons
Married 8 January 1778 at Amenia (Dutchess) NY.
Children:
2. Direck DUTCHER, b. 13 October 1778 at Amenia (Dutchess) NY
3. Georg DUTCHER, b. ca. 1780 at Amenia (Dutchess) NY
4. John DUTCHER (1783), b. 28 July 1783 at Amenia (Dutchess) NY
5. Ephraim DUTCHER, b. 6 March 1786 at Claverack (Columbia) NY
Cornelia DEKKER
Browsing quickly through the official "Decker Genealogy" did not find a suitable place for Cornelia, although the given name and geographical place seem to put her squarely in that family. (Cornelis and Cornelia were extremely common).
Married 18 August 1790 at Schodack (Rensselaer) NY.
Children:
6. Hendrick DUTCHER, b. 7 March 1791 at Rensselaer Co., NY
7. Simeon G. DUTCHER, b. 17 September 1793 at Wynantskill (Rensselaer) NY, m. Johanna CONKLIN, 11 September 1813 at Nassau (Rensselaer) NY, d. 1864; 4 grandchildren
8. Elizabeth DUTCHER, b. 26 November 1797 at Wynantskill (Rensselaer) NY. Elizabeth DUTCHER (2), d. ca. May 1850 at Ohio (Herkimer) NY.
Married ca. 1805.
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2. Direck DUTCHER, b. 13 October 1778 at Amenia (Dutchess) NY
Father: 1. Simeon DUTCHER, b. 25 August 1761 at Dover (Dutchess) NY, d. ca. 1849 at Ohio (Herkimer) NY
Mother: Margaretta KUHN, b. ca. 1760
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3. Georg DUTCHER, b. ca. 1780 at Amenia (Dutchess) NY
Father: 1. Simeon DUTCHER, b. 25 August 1761 at Dover (Dutchess) NY, d. ca. 1849 at Ohio (Herkimer) NY
Mother: Margaretta KUHN, b. ca. 1760
prob. b in Amenia
Children b. in Rensselaer co.:
Catharine, Andreas, George, peter, Simeon b. 1810 and Harris D.
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4. John DUTCHER (1783), b. 28 July 1783 at Amenia (Dutchess) NY
Father: 1. Simeon DUTCHER, b. 25 August 1761 at Dover (Dutchess) NY, d. ca. 1849 at Ohio (Herkimer) NY
Mother: Margaretta KUHN, b. ca. 1760
Moved to Chicago.
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5. Ephraim DUTCHER, b. 6 March 1786 at Claverack (Columbia) NY
Father: 1. Simeon DUTCHER, b. 25 August 1761 at Dover (Dutchess) NY, d. ca. 1849 at Ohio (Herkimer) NY
Mother: Margaretta KUHN, b. ca. 1760
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6. Hendrick DUTCHER, b. 7 March 1791 at Rensselaer Co., NY
Father: 1. Simeon DUTCHER, b. 25 August 1761 at Dover (Dutchess) NY, d. ca. 1849 at Ohio (Herkimer) NY
Mother: Cornelia DEKKER
baptized in May 1791 in Greenbush, NY
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7. Simeon G. DUTCHER, b. 17 September 1793 at Wynantskill (Rensselaer) NY, d. 1864
Father: 1. Simeon DUTCHER, b. 25 August 1761 at Dover (Dutchess) NY, d. ca. 1849 at Ohio (Herkimer) NY
Mother: Cornelia DEKKER
Birth recorded at Trinity Lutheran Church, West Sand Lake.
Simeon was a town Constable for a few years in Schodack (1817-19), according to the Schodack town minutes (at the NYSL, Albany). During this time he ran for Justice of the Peace, received four votes out of some 1500. He did not come in last, however.
Census sightings:
1810 Greenbush (Rensselaer)
1820 Schodack (Rensselaer)
1830 Schodack
1840 ? might be living with son-in-law Garret See
1850 Avon (Rock) WI working as retired clerk
1860 Beloit WI, living w/ son-in-law A.B. Carpenter, retired.
Johanna CONKLIN, b. 1793 at Nassau (Rensselaer) NY, d. 1831 at Rensselaer County NY
Father: Gilbert CONKLIN, b. ca. 1765, d. 11 January 1835 at Ballston (Saratoga) NY
Mother: unknown SPENCER
Birth & death dates from tombstone (sent by Doris Jones). More information on the Conklin family is contained in a typescript compiled by Richard Wayand and Conklin Mann.
Married 11 September 1813 at Nassau (Rensselaer) NY.
Children:
Information on this family is pieced together from our family's notes, and has generally stood up well when compared with official records.
Almira DUTCHER, b. 19 August 1815 at Rensselaer County, m. Alvin Bacon CARPENTER at Troy (Rensselaer) NY; 6 grandchildren
Sarah Ann ("Sally") DUTCHER, b. 19 August 1815 at Rensselaer County, m. Garrett SEE (this contributor's g-g-grandfather), 30 August 1834 at Stuyvesant (Columbia) NY, m. Peter SEE, ca. 1860, d. 18 December 1865; 10 grandchildren
John E. DUTCHER, b. ca. 1818, moved to Chicago.
Norman DUTCHER, b. 13 November 1822 at NY, m. Adaline M. ODELL; 1 grandchild
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8. Elizabeth DUTCHER, b. 26 November 1797 at Wynantskill (Rensselaer) NY
Father: 1. Simeon DUTCHER, b. 25 August 1761 at Dover (Dutchess) NY, d. ca. 1849 at Ohio (Herkimer) NY
Mother: Cornelia DEKKER
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Descendant families report created by Gene 4.2b1, Sat, Oct 4, 1997
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 97 22:36:08 -0400
Simeon G. Dutcher (born Wynantskill NY in 1793) is a GGGGF of mine. Our family research has reached a dead-end at Simeon's son-in-law, Garret See, and so we're researching everyone around Garret looking for leads. The Dutchers are well documented, as you probably know. I have Peter Elias' and Mike Wolfe's reports on that family. I also have a lot of information on Sees, especially the Westchester line, which Garret was geographically close to.
These are of course both secondary sources. Actually neither of them had Simeon G. Dutcher's marriage record (which I found at the Albany State library in an unindexed, unpublished typescript) or children. Since he was born in Wynantskill NY, I expected his birth record to be there, but didn't find it. Now I'm on a wild goose chase to find out how they know his birth date (Sept. 17, 1793). Nobody seems to know!
Anyway, I thought I had looked carefully in the Wynantskill records and not found either Simeon's birth record or anything about Garrett, so I'd like to ask you whether you have the source for Simeon's exact birth date. Perhaps wherever he is, there Garret See may be also. I should be clear that I've already noted Simeon's birthdate. What I'm interested is the name of the source of that date.
Thanks if you can help.
Dave
Date: Sat, 10 May 97 17:21:21 -0400
In an earlier message (4/20) I referred to certain Dutcher records being in the Nassau church records. They're actually in the Wynantskill records. The lesson I'm learning is, don't trust your unaided memory!
Sorry to cause confusion.
I was right about the Simeons. It looks as though Philip is probably the son of Elias De Duyster (chr. 1738) son of Johannes De Duyster, but I'm not personally committing to that yet!
Hello, Dutcher list!
My name is David See, and I my Dutcher ancestor is Simeon G. Dutcher, born in Wynantskill in 1793, lived in the Schodack area from around 1810 to 1835 before moving north to Saratoga Co. and then Wisconsin. Below is a report of his immediate descendants. I am interested in filling in any area of his line that anyone has. What is missing are
1) His grandchildren by his sons by his first marriage (as opposed to those of his twin daughters which are well attested),
2) His children by his second marriage, and
3) The holy grail of our family research, namely the parents of his daughter Sarah Ann's husband Garret.
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1. Simeon G. DUTCHER (1793 - 1864)
Father: Simeon DUTCHER, b. 25 August 1761, d. ca. 1849
Mother: Cornelia DEKKER
Birth record in Trinity Lutheran Church, West Sand Lake.
Simeon was a town Constable for a few years in Schodack (1817-19), according to the Schodack town minutes (at the NYSL, Albany). During this time he ran for Justice of the Peace, received four votes out of some 1500. He did not come in last, however.
Simeon had several children by the second marriage, "three of whom served in the civil war. When Simeon died, about 1864, he left a widow who appears on the Tax Records of the Town of Prattsville as Sophia Dutcher. Third wife??"
1810 Greenbush (Rensselaer)
1820 Schodack (Rensselaer)
1830 Schodack
1840 Clifton Park (Saratoga)
1850 Avon (Rock) WI working as retired clerk
1860 Beloit WI, living w/ son-in-law A.B. Carpenter, retired.
Johanna CONKLIN (ca. 1790 - 1831)
Father: Gilbert CONKLIN, b. ca. 1765, d. 11 January 1835
Mother: unknown SPENCER
Married 11 September 1813.
Children:
1 2. Almira DUTCHER, b. 19 August 1815, m. Alvin Bacon CARPENTER; 6 grandchildren
2 3. Sarah Ann ("Sally") DUTCHER, b. 19 August 1815, m. Garrett SEE, 31 August 1834, m. Peter {Greenfield} SEE, ca. 1860; 10 grandchildren
3 4. John E. DUTCHER, b. ca. 1818
4 5. Norman DUTCHER, b. 13 November 1822, m. Adaline M. ODELL; 1 grandchild Elizabeth unknown ( - ) Married aft. 1831.
2. Almira DUTCHER (1815 - )
Father: 1. Simeon G. DUTCHER, b. 17 September 1793, d. 1864
Mother: Johanna CONKLIN, b. ca. 1790, d. 1831
Almira and Sarah Ann are identical twins.
Announcement in the Troy Daily Whig July 5, 1839
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MARRIED
In this city, by the Rev. E. Hopkins, Mr. A.B. CARPENTER, Merchant of Evansville, Indiana, to Miss ALMIRA L. DUTCHER, of this city.
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An index of Troy clergymen lists Erastus Hopkins serving at 2nd Presbyterian Church from 1837-1841.
Alvin Bacon CARPENTER (1812 - ca. 1902)
Father: Ephraim CARPENTER
1850 Beloit (Rock) WI, merchant, manufacturer & farmer worth $10K.
1860 Beloit: farmer, value of R.E. $100K, personal prop. $22.25K
1870 Beloit, Dry Goods Merchant
bio in Carpenter Memorial, p. 478
Alvin was last of twelve children
d. ca. 1900
Married at Troy (Rensselaer) NY.
Children:
1 James M. CARPENTER, b. 1840
2 Mary A. CARPENTER, b. 1842
3 Harriet A. ("Hattie") CARPENTER, b. 1847
4 Anna B. CARPENTER, b. 1849
5 Ada D. CARPENTER, b. 1852
6 Cornelia E. CARPENTER, b. 1854
3. Sarah Ann ("Sally") DUTCHER (1815 - )
Father: 1. Simeon G. DUTCHER, b. 17 September 1793, d. 1864
Mother: Johanna CONKLIN, b. ca. 1790, d. 1831
1840 Greenbush
moved in 1842 to Wilton
1850 Wilton
1855 Greenfield: living with Peter See
1865 Wilton, owner of land, married to Peter See
Garrett SEE (1811 - 1854)
Birthdate from family tradition, and is consistent with later records of his age. Said to have been born in Schodack.
A Garret Zea, married to Maria Kellerhouse, baptized daughter Mary Jane b 10/11/1831 in Manorton, same church that Adam See baptized two daughters 12 yrs. earlier. Family tradition doesn't testify to another marriage to Garret, but it fits the place and (just barely) date.
Garret's parentage isn't known, but everyone associated with him comes from Columbia and Dutchess counties, so probably he or his father did, too. Was probably born either in Schodack or somewhere along the line between Dover and there among the wave of common farmhands and laborers that made that migration near the turn of the 19th cent. Almost certainly related to the Sees in the Gallatinville Ref. Church. Unfortunately, their origin is also unrecorded, though their descendancy from the Tarrytown Sees seems likely due to Garret's Dutcher/Conklin in-laws (Johanna Conklin, is a direct descendant of Isaac Sy) and the fact that the general trend of migration was northward.
An Adam H. See from Schodack (distinct from Adam, above) was killed in the War of 1812. This is the earlist Schodack See we know of. If he was Garret's father, he leftno widow that we know of. No Sees appear in census records of that area earlier than 1840.
Married Stuyvesant (Columbia) Reformed Church. Garret lived in Schodack Landing at the time, Sarah in Schodack.
1840 Greenbush (Garret "Zee"). Unidentified male in 40's in the house, and not Simeon Dutcher.
Moved to Wilton (Saratoga) ca. 1842 (according to Sarah's '55 census)
1850 Wilton: blacksmith.
Was the first customer of Ebenezer Holme's funeral co. in Saratoga Springs.
Married 31 August 1834 at Stuyvesant (Columbia) NY.
Children:
1 John Alexander SEE, b. 1 February 1835, m. Hannah E. MORGAN, 29 December 1863, d. 10 July 1893; 7 grandchildren
2 Alfred M. SEE, b. 23 February 1837, m. Clarissa PRICE, 1 January 1861, d. 6 May 1864; 1 grandchild
3 Elizabeth Ann SEE, b. 19 March 1839, m. Jeremiah BAKER, 2 October 1864
4 Martin Van Buren SEE, b. 19 February 1841, m. Anna DELAND, 14 September 1867, d. 26 August 1889; 3 grandchildren
5 Dudley E. SEE, b. 16 February 1843, d. 21 January 1862
6 Mary L. SEE, b. 17 March 1845
7 Aaron Charles SEE, b. 15 July 1847, m. Martha FERRINGTON, 20 December 1873, m. Mary Jane BROOKS, 12 April 1891, d. 20 July 1918; 7 grandchildren
8 Harriet A. SEE, b. 20 November 1849
9 Adaline SEE, b. 15 July 1853, d. 4 August 1882
10 Loretta Almyra SEE, b. 27 October 1855, d. 26 December 1876
Peter {Greenfield} SEE (1796 - )
Possibly son of Elias SEE of Ballston, or more likely brother of Martin SEE of Wilton (son of David of Gallatinville R.C.)?
1820 Wilton
1830 Wilton
1840 Greenfield
1850 Greenfield
1855 Greenfield w/ wife Angeline & 2 stepdaughters
1860 Greenfield w/ Sarah Ann & her daug. Loretta Almyra
1865 Wilton w/ Sarah Ann, her son Aaron & Loretta Almyra
Married ca. 1860.
4. John E. DUTCHER (ca. 1818 - )
Father: 1. Simeon G. DUTCHER, b. 17 September 1793, d. 1864
Mother: Johanna CONKLIN, b. ca. 1790, d. 1831
Lived in Chicago.
5. Norman DUTCHER (1822 - )
Father: 1. Simeon G. DUTCHER, b. 17 September 1793, d. 1864
Mother: Johanna CONKLIN, b. ca. 1790, d. 1831
1870: Beloit (Rock) WI, working as a farmer.
1880: retired
Still living in 1887
Came to Beloit in the '40s
Adaline M. ODELL (ca. 1824 - )
Married.
Adeline ODELL ( - )
Children:
1 Mary G. DUTCHER, b. 1849
Descendant families report created by Gene 4.2b1, Fri, May 23, 1997
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 11:47:57 -0400
Kenneth Hale (kenhale@aliens.com) asked on 7/14 about the source for Simeon G. Dutcher's and Johanna Conklin's marriage. It was in the Ref. Church at Nassau (Rensselaer Co.) which I found at the state library at Albany in an unindexed, rather torn-up typescript. That church's records as well as those of the Stuyvesant Ref. Church just across the Columbia Co. border, are not yet published. You can also get them on microfilm from LDS, though, and I'm pretty sure both of them are included in Loretta Harris' _Vital Records of Schodack, NY_.
Dave See
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16 Apr 1998
From:
"David See"
To everyone who requested info on Canadian Dutchers:
Some of you have, of course, noted the presence of Dirck Dutcher
(in either Elizabethtown or New Oswegatchie, Ontario) in 1785.
A few have also noted his son Ephraim, who has no further record
in the US beyond his birth. The death in 1842 fits well enough.
The place, Burford, Ontario, is in Brant County which is adjacent
to Oxford County, where the will was recorded.
Also in Burford, the same year in fact, was the marriage of an
Elizabeth Ann Dutcher. Another Burford event (or Brantford Gore
in the same county) was the marriage of Hiram Dutcher in 1828.
Now, the only other time I've ever seen the name Hiram Dutcher
was from the Troy City Directory of 1837! A Hiram Dutcher working
as a tinsmith arrived there that year. There had been no Dutchers
in Troy before 1832, but they started appearing in 1832, first
Calvin the mason, then David a shoemaker, John D tinworker,
Josiah coppersmith.
I think it could well be the same Hiram, because a certain Almira
Dutcher, who was Dirck's great-grandaughter (and Ephraim's
grand-niece) married in Troy in 1839, to a wealthy merchant Alvin
Carpenter who had come all the way from Beloit, Wisconsin to
marry her (his family was originally from Rehoboth, MA). Almira
had a brother John, who might be the other tinworker listed
above.
There are a few other correlations with metal-working in the
family: A William Dutcher was listed in the Toronto directory for
1836-37 as an iron-worker. Also, Almira Dutcher's twin sister
Sarah Ann married my g-g-grandfather Garret See, who happened to
be a blacksmith. There have been rumors of a Canadian connection
in the family -- maybe this is it.
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16 Apr 1998
From:
"David See"
Slight correction on Ephraim Dutcher. He was not the son of Dirck
but a grandson of Dirck through Simeon (Sr.). So Ephraim would
have been the UNCLE of Almira Dutcher living in Troy.
Now, though, one lister is telling me that Ephraim buried in
Brant County, Ont. was born in 1762. I only have one Ephraim in
my files. Can anyone out there clear this up?
Thanks,
Dave See
Robert Burness
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 14:36:23 -0700
My GGGM was Sarah Ann Dutcher who married my GGGF Garret See in 1834 in the Dutch church near Schodack, Renssalaer Co. NY. She had a twin Elmira and two brothers (at least) named Norman and John. Her Father (and perhaps GF) were named Simeon. The name changed over the years from Duitsche. Most of the family moved on to Beloit, WI around the 1850s. Without going into more detail, if you are interested in this Dutcher family perhaps we could compare notes.
R.E.Burness, Jr.